Justin Moon & Gigi take a walk in Madeira. Recorded during SEC-07.

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In this dialogue:

• Justin’s new obsession: building Shadow, a hackable mobile operating system for people who want full control over the stack
• Why Android is interesting again: not because it’s clean, but because it is at least open enough to fight with
• One wallet, one relay connection, one shared set of primitives at the OS level, instead of every app reinventing the same mess
• Booting a phone with less Android, then turning Android off piece by piece once the system is running
• From 13-second button clicks to instant GPU rendering, and why that counts as real progress
• Why Justin chose TypeScript apps on top of a Rust core: make the parts you should not vibe-code solid, and let users vibe-code the rest
• Apps as source code, almost like DMs, instead of a permissioned app store pipeline
• The app store tax, DUNS numbers, LLC theater, and why Justin would rather build a parallel thing than beg Apple and Google for approval
• Permissionless alternatives at every layer: phone OS, payments, relays, networking, app distribution, and compute
• GrapheneOS as the security-maximalist trade-off, versus Shadow as the hackability-maximalist trade-off
• “I want a 3D printed gun of phones” as Justin’s deliberately unhinged way of describing maximum user freedom and minimum guardrails
• “I want to optimize for shooting yourself in the foot” as the sharper version of the same trade-off: less safety theater, more user agency
• Why many Linux phones failed: server people building for phone users, without a real vision for what a phone should become
• The Nostr opportunity: a community weird enough to flash devices, test strange tools, and actually use them
• Why the future may look like one agent per project, each with its own identity, memory, and full machine to operate
• Personal clouds, bare-metal boxes, ephemeral VMs, and feeding your agents compute instead of feeding SaaS subscriptions
• Why local-first and self-hosted agent setups matter if you want real sovereignty, durable memory, and no surprise bans
• FIPS as a path toward permissionless networking, cryptographic addressing, and small resilient parallel internets
• Nostr VPN, tailscale-like overlays, and why overlay networks beat waiting for the whole world to rewire itself
• Messaging trade-offs: Marmot, MLS coordination pain, chat relays, double ratchets, and what actually works for small groups
• Pika, identity, signaling, and why Justin wants to stop theory-crafting and start shipping
• Sovereign Engineering as a high-bandwidth filter for crazy ideas, where most things die, a few things bloom, and that is the point
• Why Bitcoin, Nostr, and projects like FIPS feel Amish-compatible: the goal is not rejecting technology, it is rejecting dependence
• Justin’s closing promise: less talking, more shipping, and yes, shipping violently

People mentioned:

• Steve Lee (early sounding board for Lightning-at-the-OS-level ideas)
• Johnathan Corgan (creator of FIPS, pulled out of retirement by the right kind of weird)
• Martti Malmi (Nostr VPN, offline-friendly networking, also on #21: Hashtree, Nostr VPN, and Iris)
• UTXO the webmaster (creator of the Wisp Nostr client)
• Pablo (app-as-chat-box idea, Pika, general agentic mischief)
• Arjen (mesh instincts, noDNS lineage, helping make the weird legible, also on #17: Organic Tech)
• Dimi (running VPS and simple cloud infrastructure alongside bitcoin mining facilities)
• Cobrador (TollGate, rural and off-grid deployment instincts)
• Shadrach (parallel systems, Amish country, and practical off-grid thinking, also on #20: Archipelago Meshtadels)
• Bitstein (orange-pilling the Amish remains a live meme)
• Erik Cason (mind-blowing people without realizing it)

Projects & tech mentioned:

• Shadow (Justin’s experimental mobile OS)
• GrapheneOS (security-focused Android fork)
• FIPS (Free Internetworking Peering System)
• Nostr VPN (overlay networking over Nostr)
• Pika (encrypted messaging experiments for OpenClaw)
• Marmot (MLS-based chat on Nostr)
• OpenClaw (one agent per project, memory, and task execution)
• ZapStore (permission-minimized Android app distribution)
• Pokey (Nostr notification aggregation for power users)
• Deno (runtime for TypeScript apps on the phone)
• Nix (reproducible builds, environments, and OS packaging)
• Magisk (rooting and system modification on Android)
• BitChat (UX-first mesh messaging reference point)
• TollGate (connectivity and payments at the edge)
• HRF (trainings, activists, and the account-creation pain of the permissioned web)

Recorded at 944875.

Yo & Gigi take a walk in Madeira. Recorded during SEC-07.

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In this dialogue:

• Gigi’s AI setup: voice prompts via vibeline to brainstorm, brainstorm to implementation plan, cron job that tackles one to-do every 20 minutes, builds overnight
• One agent per project: dergigi.com/projects, each agent spins up with an nsec and gets to work
• Nihao: Gigi’s skill for spinning up Nostr identities from the terminal
• Claude Code “Mythos” codewords leaked – swearing at your models actually helps
• Planner vs developer vs tester: three distinct personas, separation of powers for AI-assisted development
• Separate sessions for questions vs implementation, like separation of powers
• “Are you human?” vs “Are you useful?” – the only question that matters
• PoW + WoT = useful. “Sats are just difficulty-adjusted PoW.”
• Dialogical development – Vervaeke on why dialogue, not monologue, is how you actually think
• Opponent processing – Vervaeke: competing forces sharpen each other
• DiaLogos and the importance of walking dialogue
• Opus maximalism ended yesterday: Anthropic cutting off OpenClaw, now broke, looking at cheaper models and local hardware
• Routing models: OpenRouter and Routstr now route between thinking and simple models automatically
• Yo’s Sovereign Engineering journey: showed up to SEC-04 with no programming experience, three weeks’ notice, on a climbing trip visa
• SEC-04 was the vibe coding big bang: Paul showed the way, Calle tried to build a Cashu client live, Paul beat him to it
• Got offered to join the team because “you are the one who would actually be crazy enough to move to Madeira”
• “Safe return doubtful”: the Shackleton ad as a model for SovEng recruitment. No pay, no wages, but glory. Read Endurance by Alfred Lansing.
• High barrier to entry, no option to leave, “in it for the right reasons” – the SovEng filter
• “Make the internet a better place.” The actual mission statement.
• Demoing on Demo Day is not optional
• The Weekly Loop: Monday Movement, Tuesday Talks, Wednesday Workshops, Thursday time off, Friday Demo Day
• Nuns Valley – where the walks happen
• SEC-06 was about identity and signers. Agentic identity: spin up an nsec, now you can talk. The problem of identity in the age of OpenClaw.
• Fabian’s NIP-17 plugin for OpenClaw: Nostr DMs as a transport layer for agents
• Yo’s Zig NIP-17 plugin: building the same from scratch in Zig
• MLS, Pika, and pika for OpenClaw: encrypted group messaging for agent fleets
• The “social media intern” problem: you gave the keys to someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing
• Social attestation vs cryptographic proof: Yo’s combined approach where clients only display migration events and users decide out-of-band
• Gzuuus’s identity continuation proposal: simpler, no key management, just OTS timestamps and preimage commitments. Don’t migrate old notes, just continue
• Pip’s Vertex demo: purely social web-of-trust metrics already handle identity migration in practice
• “Identity is a social thing” – Vitor was right about that part
• PortalSDK & the portal team joining SEC-06: hardware signers meeting agentic identity
• Nostr, Blossom, nsites, Cashu – everything you need without permission
• “Permissionless, permissionless, permissionless” – we need a new Steve Ballmer
• SEC-06 was three weeks only. Learned that three weeks is not enough, just a warm-up. Minimum four, six is the sweet spot.
• But SEC-06’s energy spilled into SEC-07: first week was one of the most energetic ever, hit the ground running
• “The gray beards and the big brains actually came!”
• From Tollgate to NoDNS to fuckips to FIPS: the naming history of the Free Internetworking Peering System
• FIPS parties, not LAN parties: running on ESP32 radios, TCP, UDP, VPNs, Tor
• Jonathan came out of retirement, built FIPS from November to February, and now everyone’s building on top of it
• “DNS is a shitcoin” – direct quote from Jonathan
• Martti migrating Nostr VPN onto FIPS, Thomas showed a collaborative drawing board running on FIPS + Tor
• Quake III server running on FIPS
• nsites becoming the default deployment target for demos
• Blossom, nsites, NIP-60/61 – all came out of SovEng cohorts and are now in the wild
• BTC++ coming to Madeira after the summer cohort, first public demo day since SEC-01
• Tollgate on balloons: a gorilla Starlink, “we are all choked by the fiber optic cables”
• Rob’s silent payments over Nostr getting picked up by Sparrow: prototype gist
• L402 + nginx: Paygress – pay-per-request HTTP monetization
• “The most awesome thing is everyone has this project in the back of their head they always wanted to build. Once you’re at Sovereign Engineering, there’s no excuse.”
• Doom deployed on an nsite
• “After not shitcoining for so long, now I’m addicted to tokens.”
• “No Solutions, only trade-offs.”

People mentioned:

• Pablo (TENEX, Highlighter, SEC co-founder)
• Martti Malmi (Nostr VPN, migrating to FIPS)
• Paul (showed the vibe coding way at SEC-04)
• Calle (Cashu, live coding at SEC-04)
• Justin (browser, separate sessions for questions)
• Jonathan Corgan (FIPS creator, came out of retirement)
• Gzuuus (identity continuation proposal)
• Vitor Pamplona (social-only identity migration)
• Pip (Vertex, web-of-trust identity demo)
• Arjen (Tollgate, noDNS origins)
• Pete (Pete’s kid doing games on Nostr)
• Cobdorz (Tollgate on balloons)
• Sir Sleepy (multiple npub power user)
• Sandwich (nsites resurgence)
• Thomas (collaborative drawing board on FIPS + Tor)
• Rob (silent payments over Nostr, picked up by Sparrow)
• hodlbod (key rotation proposal)
• Ben from LNbits (hardware Nostr signer)
• Fabian (NIP-17 plugin for OpenClaw)

Projects & tech mentioned:

• FIPS (Free Internetworking Peering System)
• Sovereign Engineering (the program itself)
• OpenClaw / ZeroClaw (agent harnesses, rapid prototyping vs security trade-off)
• Codex (OpenAI’s coding agent)
• Routstr (model routing with Cashu payments)
• Tollgate (mesh network toll gates, now on balloons)
• Vertex (web-of-trust tools, identity migration demo)
• Nostr VPN (migrating to FIPS)
• nsites (Nostr-based web hosting, default demo deployment)
• Blossom (content-addressed blob storage)
• Cashu (eCash on Bitcoin)
• Nihao (skill for spinning up Nostr identities)
• Pika (MLS-based encrypted messaging for OpenClaw)
• Paygress (L402 nginx, pay-per-request HTTP monetization)
• Fabian’s NIP-17 plugin for OpenClaw
• NIP-17 plugin PR for nullclaw
• NIP-17 (encrypted DMs)
• NIP-29 (relay-based groups)
• NIP-60 / NIP-61 (Cashu wallets on Nostr)
• Amber (Android Nostr signer)
• Portal (hardware Nostr signer cards)
• Primal (signing abilities release)
• Sparrow (silent payments integration from Rob’s work)
• BPD5 (key management proposal)
• Endurance (Shackleton’s expedition, Alfred Lansing)
• BTC++ (coming to Madeira after summer cohort)

Recorded at 943,743.

Martti Malmi & Gigi take a walk in Madeira. Recorded during SEC-07.

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In this dialogue:

• Martti's GitHub annoyance spawned Hashtree: a content-addressed file system on top of Blossom that adds directories, file chunking, and encryption. Everything encrypted by default using content hash key encryption (inspired by Freenet), so Blossom server operators have cryptographic deniability about what they host.
• git remote hashtree: set up a hashtree remote for any Git repo, push to your Blossom server. Martti uses it for all Iris development, with GitHub only as a backup mirror. The web interface at git.iris.to supports NIP-34 issues and pull requests.
• The WebRTC mesh layer complements Blossom: peers find each other via Nostr relays for the initial handshake, then communicate directly. Requests route through peers with hops-to-live (starts around 15, probabilistically varied for privacy). No domain names, TLS certs, or IP addresses needed.
• Iris Browser loads apps from Hashtree URLs, bypassing web hosting entirely. Same idea as the old Freenet concept: content addressing means links don't break when servers go down.
• Nostr VPN was born from Martti's refusal to use Tailscale's Google/GitHub login. Built in two days. WireGuard underneath, Nostr relays for peer discovery and IP negotiation. Every device gets an npub. Exit node functionality coming, with a future Cashu-incentivized exit node marketplace.
• Double Ratchet messaging on Nostr: works well for two-party sessions, complexity grows with multi-device per user and group chats. Tested at SEC-07 via chat.iris.to with QR code invites. Martti prefers Double Ratchet over MLS for Nostr because MLS has stricter consensus requirements that conflict with decentralized relay sets.
• "Coding is going to be done by AI agents pretty soon." Martti writes basically zero code by hand now, vibecoding over tradcoding. Claude Opus (late 2025) was the inflection point that enabled Hashtree. He expects fully capable local models within a year.
• The window of opportunity: if freedom tech developers stop building now, Stripe, Cloudflare, and GitHub win by default because that's all the LLMs know. Getting freedom tech into the training data matters while models are still being shaped. Gwern wrote about this dynamic years ago in Bitcoin is Worse is Better, and his Scaling Hypothesis hints at where the AI side is headed.
• AI agents will eat network effects: your agent queries ten platforms, posts to all of them. The bundled interface becomes irrelevant. Big tech's moat dissolves. "An ouroboros effect, the snake of big tech eating its own tail." As Jack Dorsey recently put it, the killer feature of Bitcoin and Nostr is that they're permissionless.
• Pre-Nostr, Martti built Iris on Gun.js as a public-key-based social network. No traction after two or three years. When Jack Dorsey joined Nostr and it gained community, Martti ported Iris over quickly.
• The Ethereum confession: social nouns NFTs, Ethereum login in early Iris. "Every saint has a past, every sinner a future." The Bitcoin community's cultural friction was an interesting experience, but Martti found the maximalists more admirable than other groups.
• Early Bitcoin: first commit around early 2010, ran bitcoin.org, built the first exchange (bitcoinmarket.com), sold over 30,000 bitcoins through it. Life happened, moved on, came back through Nostr. "Bitcoin is singularity insurance" -- the one thing machines can't make more of.
• Web of trust vs. proof of work for fighting spam: PoW won't stop spammers more than it stops normal users. Social graph is the only proper solution for most interactions. A combination of both has its place, but WoT does the heavy lifting.
• Identity is prismatic: as moot argued in his SXSW talk, you're not the same person at church, the nightclub, or work. Nostr enables multiple npubs for different contexts. But spam is the trade-off with free identity creation, and social graph is the only proper solution. Web of trust filtering in Iris means no NSFW spam, at the cost of possibly missing new users.
• Content addressing as the foundation: files live in multiple places, links don't break, peers cache data from their social graph. DNS-like caching but without the hierarchical trust. "No global" is a feature.
• Local agents as a privacy layer: if your AI agent is your interface, platforms can't fingerprint your typing patterns. Even traffic analysis becomes harder with noise-based bandwidth usage.
• FIPS is Martti's most exciting Nostr project outside his own work: public key-based network routing that replaces IP addresses. Low-level infrastructure that could underpin everything else.
• FIPS is Martti's most exciting Nostr project outside his own work: public key-based network routing that replaces IP addresses. Low-level infrastructure that could underpin everything else.
• SovEng experience: "awesome", intense from morning to evening, a teenage dream of hacking with people on a beautiful island. Came on short notice after Jonathan reached out following the Nostr VPN release.
• Martti's ask: use Hashtree, default your repos to hashtree remotes, solve real problems. "Nostr VPN actually solved a real problem. Scratch your own itch."

People mentioned:

• Justin Moon (browser discussion, GitHub stars feature request)
• Jonathan Corgan (FIPS creator, invited Martti to Madeira)
• Pablo (Nostr Signer / Nsec Bunker)
• Kieran (social graph library usage in Snort/ZapStream)
• Knut Svanholm (early Bitcoin history conversation with Martti)
• Gwern (Dwarkesh interview)
• utxo the webmaster (Wisp creator)
• jb55 (Damus / Notedeck)
• Christopher Poole / moot (4chan founder)
• Vitor Pamplona (Amethyst)
• isolabellart (Nostr-native artist, isolabellart.it.com)
• Sir Sleepy (prismatic identity)
• Jack Dorsey

Projects & tech mentioned:

• Hashtree (content-addressed file system on top of Blossom: directories, file chunking, encryption by default)
• git remote hashtree (decentralized Git using Hashtree storage, replacing GitHub remotes)
• git.iris.to (web-based Git interface with NIP-34 support: issues, pull requests, likes)
• Iris (Nostr social client with built-in social graph filtering)
• Iris Browser (loads websites and apps from Hashtree URLs in a content-addressed way)
• Nostr VPN (WireGuard tunnels using Nostr relays for peer discovery and signaling, no accounts needed)
• Nostr Double Ratchet (Signal-style encrypted messaging on Nostr with group chat support, demo at chat.iris.to)
• Blossom (content-addressed blob storage)
• WebRTC mesh (peer-to-peer data transfer, works in browsers and servers, probabilistic routing with hops-to-live)
• FIPS (Nostr public key-based network routing, by Jonathan Corgan)
• Reticulum (low-bandwidth mesh networking stack)
• LoRa (long-range, low-power radio for mesh networking)
• MLS / White Noise (encrypted group messaging on Nostr)
• Marmot Protocol (encrypted messaging protocol for Nostr)
• Freenet (early content-addressed peer-to-peer network, inspiration for Hashtree's encryption)
• Ladybird (independent browser implementation)
• OpenClaw (open-source AI agent harness)
• Cashu (eCash on Bitcoin, future incentivized exit node payments)
• Maple (privacy-preserving AI inference)
• Trusting Trust (the problem of trust in computing)
• Routstr (Nostr-based AI routing)
• PPQ (decentralized AI inference)
• Amber (Nostr signer for Android)
• Aegis (Nostr signer for iOS)
• Plebeian Market (Nostr marketplace)
• Shopstr (Nostr marketplace)
• Amethyst (Nostr client for Android)
• Wisp (Nostr micro-client)
• Damus Notedeck (Nostr client with app shell, built on nostrdb)
• ContextVM (execution environment for Nostr)
• Vertex (web of trust tools)
• Relatr (relay-side WoT filtering on ContextVM)
• Eternal September (what happens when a subculture scales)
• Zooko's Triangle (the naming trilemma: human-meaningful, secure, decentralized)
• nsite (Nostr-based web hosting)
• Commander Keen (DOS-era classic)
• IPX/SPX (LAN party networking protocol)
• Pirate Bay (decentralized resilience patterns that Nostr echoes, Peter Sunde: "I Have Given Up", keynote)

Recorded at 943,634.

Shadrach & Gigi take a walk in Madeira. Recorded during SEC-07.

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Projects & tech mentioned:

• Archipelago (sovereign home node and mesh network platform)
• Archipelago Foundation
• Archipelago promo video
• AtoB (interoperable service protocol, co-authored with Gzuuus)
• Angor (Bitcoin-native crowdfunding; Archipelago placed 2nd in the Angor pitch contest)
• Podcasting 2.0 (open podcast ecosystem)
• #DeMu (decentralized music on Nostr)
• Fountain (podcasting app with value-for-value)
• castr.me (Nostr-to-RSS podcast feed)
• Indie Hub (independent film distribution on Archipelago)
• Plebeian Market / Shopstr / Conduit (Nostr marketplaces)
• Zap Store (Nostr-based app store)
• Fedimint (federated eCash) / Cashu (eCash on Bitcoin)
• Framework (modular laptop hardware)
• Meshtastic / Meshcore (mesh networking)
• Start9 / Umbrel (existing node platforms)
• GrapheneOS (privacy-focused Android)

In this dialogue:

• The episode opens discussing the podcasting 2.0 publishing workflow: AI models can now generate the XML spec, value splits and all
• Spencer's idea: every venue gets an npub, the venue starts the live stream rather than the artist
• Shadrach's #DeMu journey: tried to orange pill Austin musicians, but they were too disillusioned. Pay-to-play venues, Spotify killing label revenue.
• Value for value as social signaling: free-to-play games make millions from cosmetic skins. Adam Curry gets it -- his listeners aren't listeners, they're producers.
• Shadrach's path: punk rock DIY ethos to sysadmin, industrial Bitcoin mining in Texas, S9 miners sold for scrap metal
• The Meshtadel: a network of citadels meshed together. Any node can be taken out and the system routes around the failure.
• "I'm here to orange pill the Amish": moved to Lancaster, PA for food security, rented a farmer's market stall just to talk about Bitcoin
• Printed Cashu certificates for the Amish, horse and buggy to the Bitcoin bank drive-through. Fedimint stability pools make this feasible.
• "Bitcoin doesn't need more believers. Bitcoin needs more understanders."
• Archipelago: sovereign home node on Framework laptop hardware, plugs into your TV, companion app, modular and upgradeable
• Indie Hub: independent films on day one, directors set their own pricing, distributed via paid torrents
• The reversed marketplace: broadcast what you want to buy as an encrypted blob on Nostr. Agents match buyers and sellers.
• "Salespeople will hate it." -- "I know."
• AtoB protocol: made ride-sharing apps (Ridester, Drivester, Trotter) interoperable. Two devs refactored in a day using AI.
• Web of trust is Nostr's killer feature: people wrote about it in the seventies, PGP signing parties never caught on
• Nostr VPN: every device gets an npub, devices find each other the same way people do on Nostr
• SovEng: "the most incredible experience I've ever had in my life" and "some of the most exhausting"
• "We are back again in the early days. And we just have to make it work."

Pablo & Gigi take a walk. Recorded December 2025.

Projects & tech mentioned:

• TENEX (multi-agent coordination on Nostr)
• Agora (Nostr client for local communities, by Pablo & Leopoldo Lopez)
• NDK Swift & NDK Kotlin (native ports of NDK)
• nostrdb (embedded Nostr database)
• NIP-60 (Cashu wallets on Nostr)
• Podcasting 2.0 (open podcast ecosystem)
• #DeMu (decentralized music on Nostr)
• Olas (rebuilt with TENEX agents)
• castr.me (Nostr-to-RSS podcast feed)
• ants (Nostr search)
• Boris (reading and highlighting)
• Pyramid (fiatjaf's invite-tree relay)
• Kevin Kelly's 1,000 True Fans

In this dialogue:

• Agents tried to fix world hunger: made a Google Doc and a React app, nothing worked, world hunger still not fixed
• "We're behaving like LLM agents: never learn"
• Everything Pablo builds is a way to test TENEX: "I need to build something to test the thing"
• Agora: a Nostr client starting from the premise that you only care about your immediate surroundings
• Invitation-based trust networks: cryptographic proof of who invited whom into a relay, similar to fiatjaf's Pyramid
• Citizen journalism use case: pseudonymous publishing where a known figure vouches for a source without revealing identity
• NIP-60 wallet baked into Agora: your key is no longer just identity, it's also money
• Social key recovery via Shamir secret sharing: select people you can reach (not necessarily trust), hidden behind follow events
• Identity migration for stolen keys vs. key loss recovery: two different problems, solvable with similar tools
• "Fiatjaf had the right ideas around community-based backup and recovery"
• Romantically shitting on paywalls: you cannot box content in, no matter how hard you try
• What you can monetize is not the content itself but the relationship, the access, the live interaction
• Twitch figured it out: everything is free, everywhere, always. People pay for something else entirely.
• Substack's unfixable problem: it's a function of size, always Pareto, 20 people making a killing out of millions
• "You're prostituting yourself for nothing because you're playing in a winner-takes-most market where there is already a winner"
• The Matthew principle: to those who have everything, more will be given
• All content types competing under the same lens: why every platform turns into TikTok
• "Scaling Nostr is hard, so it will always fragment" -- and that's the feature
• Nostr's promise: many small markets strictly superior to one big centrally planned instance
• Digital fast food: platforms serve maximally engaging slop, like lucid dreams generated on the fly
• The health food analogy: McDonald's still exists, but a whole industry grew around health-conscious people. Digital health is next.
• Young people craving real connections over influencer slop, drawn to vinyl and gramophones for the same reason
• Walking the Roman path: 3,000-year-old cart tracks still visible, "look at the UX of that thing"
• "I switched my whole online identity to Nostr because this thing has legs and will still work 30 years from now"
• Email marketers already know: own the list, everything else is a funnel
• Relays as magazines: you don't quit magazines because one magazine is bad
• Most people perceive Nostr as "the crypto app" -- we're not at the "email is a protocol" stage yet
• Special-purpose clients: a posting-only client with an empty text field, ants for search, Boris for highlights
• "I'm amazed at how well things work. Blossom every day without thinking about it."
• "We've been on this professionalizing mode for the past six to nine months. Technically, we're in very good shape."

Pablo & Gigi take a drive. Recorded December 2025.

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Projects & tech mentioned:

• TENEX (multi-agent coordination on Nostr)
• NDK (Nostr Development Kit)
• NDK Swift & NDK Kotlin (native ports of NDK, vibe-coded)
• nostrdb (embedded Nostr database)
• Negentropy / NIP-77 (efficient event sync)
• NIP-60 (Cashu wallets on Nostr)
• Vercel AI SDK (multi-provider LLM abstraction)
• Notedeck & Nostur
• Olas (rebuilt with TENEX agents)

In this dialogue:

• Bitcoiners in cars getting coffee: recording from the sun visor, Seinfeld style
• TENEX rewritten "about a hundred times," now in TypeScript on Vercel AI SDK
• The pain of supporting every LLM provider: Gemini returns encrypted reasoning tokens, every API has different subtleties
• Removing structure to improve performance: deleting 80% of agent code makes agents work better
• Agents defining their own workflow phases instead of having phases imposed on them
• Composable workflows: the CEO agent doesn't need to know what the engineering director's workflow looks like
• The parallel to human organizations: you can't hold all the information in your own mind
• John Vervaeke and the idea that dialogue is how you solve the really hard problems
• Participatory knowing: you don't understand Bitcoin until you actually use it
• Agent wallets removed because "there was nothing for them to actually buy" -- a commune with no walls
• $700/month running Opus for everything, replacing "like fucking 30 people"
• Context windows are a non-issue when the hierarchy is deep enough: each atomic agent finishes fast
• Henry Ford's insight applied to agents: each worker does an incredibly stupid task that takes five minutes
• Agents are bad at self-correction, so they delegate competing implementations in disposable work trees, then compare notes
• Confidence scores: the delegating agent monitors every 5-10 messages, checks if the sub-agent is going off the rails
• "Once they are convinced that humans have seven legs, they will make up scientific papers to prove it to you"
• NDK ported to Swift and Kotlin without looking at a single line of code: outbox compilation, negentropy syncing, offline publishing, NIP-60 support
• Cross-platform frameworks are dead: "if you're just programming in English, React Native makes no sense"
• The developer experience right now is "as bad as it's been, at least in our lifetimes"
• "You're basically yelling at someone that is lying to you, that will take all the shortcuts"
• Vibe coding flow state: sculpting code like marble, micro-adjustments every five seconds
• "What if all I know of development is actually problematic? What if I just let go?"
• Non-developers building real apps on Nostr thanks to vibe coding
• The naming podcast: "Claude Opus, make up a name. Just put a U."
• "I'm on vacation. The agents have been running the entire time. They've done amazing work."

Arjen & Gigi take a long walk. Recorded October 2025.

Projects & tech mentioned:

• Blossom (self-healing links)
• noDNS
• Tollgate (router-to-router payments)
• Wally (Cashu wallet connect)
• innpub (positional audio, innpub.dergigi.com)
• Citrine (Android local relay)
• Amber (Android signer)
• nostr-relay-tray
• Applesauce (code snippets)
• Wingman (remote dev assistant)
• CDK (Cashu dev kit)
• NIP-03 (OpenTimestamps)
• ants (Nostr search)
• OTRTA / Routstr (pay for LLM compute with Cashu)
• Notedeck & nostrdb
• gitworkshop.dev (Nostr-native git collaboration)
• Boris (reading and highlighting)
• Spotstr & Earthly.city (maps on Nostr)

In this dialogue:

• Convincing hzrd to make Blossom more of a protocol
• Self-healing links: content addressing like Nostr but for blobs
• Blossom pacemaker: a tool that monitors your notes and blobs, rebroadcasts and re-uploads as needed
• Local first: local relays, local blossom, local cash, local signers
• "I still get shit for the audio quality"
• Verschlimmbesserung: the German word for making something worse by trying to improve it
• "We should reclaim localhost"
• Every Nostr app should work in airplane mode
• Citrine roadmap: auto-rebroadcast local events once you're online again
• Tollgate v0.2.0: router-to-router payments, released at btc++
• "Some people just hate e-cash" -- "Those people can't be helped"
• Cashu and CDK: making it easy for devs to use e-cash without managing wallets
• Wally: Cashu wallet connect, like NWC but for e-cash, runs local
• Install Wally and you're good to go with everything Nostr
• Special-purpose components that do one thing well
• Zero configuration: if there's a local relay, use it; if there's a local signer, use it
• innpub jukebox: zap the jukebox 200 sats to play a song with positional audio
• Moving away from subscription hell: attach e-cash to your requests
• noDNS deep dive: traditional DNS records published on Nostr instead of Cloudflare
• Self-signed TLS certs verified through Nostr identity
• The human approach: ask around your group of friends vs the authoritarian approach: one central authority
• Pi-hole would be perfectly fine running noDNS
• NIP-03 / OpenTimestamps: indisputable proof of profile existence over time
• "We went back to basically having mainframes and thin clients"
• The vision: everything is a relay, offline or online shouldn't matter
• Damus relay wiped multiple times, nobody cared -- that's resilience
• Data should accumulate in the right places by your pattern of usage
• The Nosterverse: every client is a different lens, there is no global
• "Nostr is organic tech"
• Vibe coding setup: Roo Code, Claude, code snippets from hzrd and Pablo
• "Claude 4.5 is very agreeable -- I could rile it up and start a revolution together"
• The dream flow: just speak voice memos into your phone, code updates 20 minutes later
• Screenless coding: the underutilized interface
• ants search: took npub.world plus nostr.band, crossbred them
• "Software evolution is crossbreeding, not merging back into the original repo"
• Maps on Nostr: the social part is what makes Google Maps useful, Nostr can provide it
• Sovereign Engineering cohort 5: "we really know what we're doing now"
• "The future is already here, we just have a lot of building to do"
• "If you want to build something, the easiest way right now is Nostr"
• We're gonna make torrents great again

The crew continues on the pirate boat. Recorded October 2025.

Projects & tech mentioned:

• Paygress (VM provisioning over Nostr)
• Error 402 (HTTP payment required)
• nostr-relay-tray
• Pyramid Relay
• castr.me
• PM Tiles (offline maps)

In this dialogue:

• The dream: press record, press save, everything auto-publishes to Nostr
• Zero post-processing, zero editing
• Error 402: endpoints that can be paid over the protocol level
• nginx 402 module: it takes lightning, it takes e-cash
• Paygress: buy a VPS just knowing an npub
• Get an IP address, a Docker container, SSH access, and a VPN
• "You have a roaming army of servers"
• Self-healing infrastructure: move your servers around like Blossom relays
• "Who will run the mints?" -- hide them behind Paygress, move them around
• We're still underutilizing payment required
• Paid relays, but also: attach e-cash when you want reliability
• Free but unreliable vs paid and reliable
• First Bitcoin client was an executable on Windows because Satoshi wanted it easy to start
• nostr-relay-tray: one of the easiest ways to run a local relay
• "We need to dockerize everything and make it really easy to run"
• Sane defaults, one click and run
• uTorrent: you just clicked it and it worked
• Enough weird people on Nostr willing to run mints, blossom servers, relays
• "It's still too hard to set up"
• The bar is higher now: demos improved thanks to vibe coding
• Vibe coding is more art than science
• "The more you do it, the more you learn"
• Maps and location data on Nostr
• Almost every data has some kind of location
• PM Tiles: offline maps you can download and use
• Local relay as the universal cache: don't build your own, just use a relay
• 48 hours left in the cohort, more demos to come

The crew passes the mic around on a pirate boat. Recorded October 2025.

Projects & tech mentioned:

• Beacon
• noDNS
• innpub
• MOQ (Media Over QUIC)
• ContextVM
• Chrysalis (self-replicating Cashu mint)
• Paygress (VM provisioning over Nostr)
• BloVM (blossom server monitor)
• HyperNote

In this dialogue:

• "How was Sovereign Engineering for you?" -- "Inspiring. Stressful."
• Most exciting demo? Beacon has been trending
• noDNS mentioned by basically everyone
• Mapping projects: putting OpenStreetMap tiles on Nostr/Blossom
• MOQ working live in innpub, eight people hanging out yesterday
• Pete's demo day race condition: a literal race to claim e-cash
• "There is no global, but there's also kind of a global"
• Chrysalis: a self-replicating Cashu mint that pays for itself and moves
• "Who's gonna run the mints?" -- "Nobody. They're gonna run themselves."
• Andreas Antonopoulos talked about self-sustaining Bitcoin services eight years ago
• noDNS explained like I'm five and drunk: "Websites and you don't have to ask daddy"
• Instead of buying domain names, you claim yours via your npub
• Conflicts resolved with web of trust and proof of work
• Self-signed TLS certs trusted through Nostr identity
• HTTPS websites with zero certificate authority involved
• "That's also what triggered Justin into writing his own browser"
• "Most browsers like to babysit their users quite a bit"
• Dolphin sounds
• ContextVM: MCP over Nostr as a transport layer
• "MCP is not just for LLMs, it's a protocol for anything"
• "Make localhost great again" -- 127.0.0.1 is the only IP we need
• Interrupting chicken (the joke didn't land)
• "Europe who?" (Australian humor)
• Ending on a hug, as always

Justin & Gigi drive to the airport. Recorded October 2025.

Projects & tech mentioned:

• Blitz (Rust HTML/CSS renderer)
• QuickJS (lightweight JavaScript engine)
• Dioxus (Rust UI framework)
• Iroh (peer-to-peer networking)
• MOQ (Media Over QUIC)
• White Noise (MLS-based private messaging on Nostr)
• Ladybird (independent browser by Andreas Kling)
• VRChat

In this dialogue:

• Driving to the airport
• "Don't say anything that could be used against you"
• The low quality of this podcast focuses the mind of the listener
• You need proper headphones
• Walking focuses you, and stops you after 90 minutes
• Justin's adoption curve: hater first, builder later
• "I'm the ascending left curve"
• Bitcoin hating, Lightning hating, Nostr hating
• Audio calling with npubs: Nostr as signaling & identity layer
• First version: Iroh for peer-to-peer, Nostr for lookup
• Calling Paul Miller's npub from a CLI
• innpub: a 2D pixel art level with rooms you can hang out in
• The killer feature of positional audio
• VRChat Bitcoin meetups during COVID, thanks to Udi
• Twitter Spaces, Clubhouse, and why one big room encourages attention seeking
• Positional audio lets you hide in a corner
• WebRTC is Google Meet shipped as a "web standard"
• Safari and Firefox just shipped Google's code
• MOQ (Media Over QUIC) as the simple alternative
• CDN-style mesh relays for binary data
• What if MOQ relays were Nostr-style, and you'd pay to relay?
• E2E encrypted group audio in the browser using White Noise / MLS compiled to WASM
• "Let's make Nostr fast"
• The web is dying: Chrome blocked ad blockers and Justin just stopped visiting websites
• No SQLite in the browser, no TypeScript in the browser
• Why do I need a domain name? Why certificate authorities?
• Building a browser in 3 days
• Blitz + QuickJS = a browser that runs a React counter app
• "This would have taken me months"
• Andreas Kling: built a browser as part of a 12-step program
• Ladybird proving that you can build a browser from scratch
• Vibe coding: 20-30 projects in six weeks
• Nerd-sniped into implementing Mosaic in Zig, then dropping it in two days
• What Nostr got right: "good enough"
• Binary transport for Nostr relays
• Getting rid of DNS: a theme every week at SovEng (noDNS)
• Claiming names via Nostr events, no .com needed
• Web of trust for conflict resolution
• Self-signed TLS certs trusted through Nostr identity
• Social handles already replaced URLs in practice
• "Build for the nerds, not the mass market"
• "I want Nostr to be the perfect thing just for me"
• Building blocks crystallizing: mesh networking, noDNS, better relays, search
• Relays in the browser
• The synergistic ecosystem
• "You're gonna miss your flight"

hzrd149 & Gigi contemplate local relays.

Libraries & apps mentioned:

• Applesauce
• Boris
• Citrine
• nostr-relay-tray

In this dialogue:

• Automation & robot armies
• If this than that (IFTTT)
• Permissioned vs permissionless automation
• Self-hosting and the local-first people
• "The identity should be outside of the computer"
• Private vs public, local vs remote
• DRM and other nonsense
• Private means encrypted with my key
• Nostr apps should be local-first, thanks to local relays
• All nostr apps should work in flight mode, somewhat
• Outbox model, writing, and reading 
• Search & NIP-50 
• Ants & thisishowyougetants.com 
• 6 degrees of separation & FoaF
• WoT 
• Friend list curation & "circles" 
• "Don't touch my follow list"
• Bootstrapping a network by saying GM a lot
• Recommendations usually suck
• Nostr can shine
• Vertex & figuring out who John is
• NIP-05 & realness
• Root-level domains & realness (e.g. @dergigi.com)
• Zaps & realness
• Nutzaps & realness 
• Local-first & local algorithms 
• nostrdb VS local relays 
• Local data & relevancy 
• noDNS, locality, local preference, and "good enough" 
• Mostly online vs mostly offline 
• "Servers aren't bad. Getting rugpulled is bad."
• "Information is easy to spread but hard to stifle" 
• Local hubs, community hubs, global hubs
• "nostr was built for broadcasting" 
• Building stuff badly & nerd-sniping people
• Gigi's ants video 
• Walking in circles 
• DM metadata leakage 
• "It shouldn't matter where the data comes from" 
• "Deleting data is a lie" 
• The impossibility of proving deletion 
• Bitrot & data loss
• Fighting bitrot with duplication & rebroadcasting 
• Bouquet, blossom, and self-healing links
• Local-first vs local-also 
• Left-side of the bellcurve CDN 
• The one whale relay 
• Topic-based relays 
• fiatjaf's pyramid relay
• Torrents, early video content, game installers 
• fiatjaf’s take on IPFS 
• Why not rebuild Cloudflare? 
• Censorship-resistance = 100% uptime = no rugpulls 
• Getting offered weed on the streets 
• Every app works in flight mode
• No developer needs an API key 
• "The data accumulates where it needs to accumulate" 
• Browser history as an example of local data & user interests 
• WoT is kinda local 
• wot.dergigi.com 
• Blossom is different; blobs are heavy 
• American HODL's vlogs 
• "Step 1 is to build a shitty version" 
• HAVEN 
• Nostr Repair Kit (Nostr pacemaker) 
• Shout-out to Pablo's highlighter (fucking hell) 
• Open-source & scratching your own itch 
• Applesauce v4
• "It's almost done" - famous last words! 
• Outbox in applesauce, and how it makes everything more difficult 
• Waves, routstr, Pete, Justin, Paul, Gzuuus 
• Hzrd's SEC-05 highlights 
• noDNS
• Wally & Cashu Wallet Connect 
• Crazy idea => Consensus => Implementation 
• Difference between idea & implementation
• "Domains are shitcoins" 
• We've been living in a post-domain world for a while 
• Independent browsers & project Ladybird 
• Nostr-native browser - who will build it? 
• "A different way of doing internet infrastructure" 
• Is a world without APIs possible? 
• Mainframe => Personal Computer => Smartphones 
• Online sometimes => Offline sometimes 
• Local LLMs
• Nostr allows you to build less
• Thin layers & special-purpose apps 
• NIP-60 and finding spare change under the couch 
• Does negentropy fix NIP-60 synchronization? 
• Nostr is synergistic 
• The beauty of nostr-relay-tray
• Nostr works. We've come far!
• It's all coming together
• Boris
• "You can always go back and build it right"
• Just begin again.
• Just begin again.
• Just begin again.

Recorded at 917,886.

Pablo and Gigi want to encourage you to apply for SEC-05.

Books & websites mentioned:

• Stackoverflow is dead by Gergely Orosz
• Sovereign Engineering by Gigi and Pablo

In this dialogue:

• Gigi's vibeline & vibeline-ui
• Pubcastr aka castr.me 
• Pablo's thread about TENEX 
• Alex Gleason's MKStack 
• What is the essence of nostr? 
• What are nostr's values, and can LLMs extract them? 
• Agents and workflows living on nostr 
• Agent specialization and Roo code 
• “What would Jesus do?”
• What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"? 
• Hierarchy of agents 
• Generalists vs specialists 
• Top-down constraints and bottom-up emergence 
• Wise architects VS efficient diff-merging LLMs 
• Where does the human fit in? 
• Distributed cognition: agents and humans
• Hiring agents via nostr 
• "If the human has to intervene, something is catastrophically wrong."
• Confidence levels of an agent's action 
• Giving agents money using mcp-money 
• Offering bounties to solve problems 
• Stackoverflow is dead
• Stock photography is dead 
• Real vs fake photography test
• Vibe-coding vs regular coding, and how it relates to the switch from analog to digital photography 
• What is economical, and what isn't? 
• Dialogue and Dia-Logos with LLMs 
• Specialization in a multi-agent world 
• Adding a small vibe-coding widget to every app (allowing users to customize stuff) 
• Multiplicity VS canonical design 
• Money is singular, language is not 
• Jack's original sin: the twitter Bootstrap theme
• The "other stuff" initiative
• What's missing from TENEX? Why isn't it fully working just yet? 
• Rebuilding everything every 3 weeks
• Voice vs text, sentiment analysis vs tone
• The power and informational density of silence
• In-person vs online communication
• Letting agents learn lessons
• "Where do you get your ideas from?"
• Anonymity vs pseudonyms vs government ID
• Agents need identity, money, and reputation
• "I own this dude." —Pablo
• Owning agents
• Vibe-coding lessons: don't look at the code, and in the best case don't even look at the IDE
• Human-agent communication: typing vs speaking
• Why some meetings couldn't have been an email
• Clearly defined problems vs undefined problem spaces
• Why TENEX will be in perpetual alpha
• What is Sovereign Engineering?
• Why should you sign up for it? 
• How come so many awesome things came out of it? Blossom, nsite, Zapstore, etc.
• Who should come, and who shouldn't?
• How did it start?
• What's the idea? 
• "Fix the money, fix the internet."
• "Ship stuff that lasts."
• Keep it pure. No monetization. 
• Focus on exploration and ideation 
• What's the structure? 
• 6 weeks, 21 participants
• Same structure every week
• Monday Mornings: Orientation
• Tuesday Talks
• Wednesday Workshops
• Thursday: No Agenda
• Friday: Demo Day
• Weekend: Hikes
• SEC-05: YOLO Mode
• Empower users
• Optimize for self-sovereignty
• Bitcoin works
• Lightning works (Gigi's post) 
• Build the future you want to see 
• Madeira: you can pay in bitcoin almost everywhere 
• tl;dr: Listen to every single No Solutions conversation to get an idea of what Sovereign Engineering is

Recorded at 914,219.

Pablo & Gigi want to encourage you to apply for SEC-05.

Books & websites mentioned:

• Stackoverflow is dead by Gergely Orosz
• Sovereign Engineering by Gigi and Pablo

In this dialogue:

• Gigi's vibeline & vibeline-ui
• Pubcastr aka castr.me 
• Pablo's thread about TENEX 
• Alex Gleason's MKStack 
• What is the essence of nostr? 
• What are nostr's values, and can LLMs extract them? 
• Agents and workflows living on nostr 
• Agent specialization and Roo code 
• “What would Jesus do?”
• What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"? 
• Hierarchy of agents 
• Generalists vs specialists 
• Top-down constraints and bottom-up emergence 
• Wise architects VS efficient diff-merging LLMs 
• Where does the human fit in? 
• Distributed cognition: agents and humans
• Hiring agents via nostr 
• "If the human has to intervene, something is catastrophically wrong."
• Confidence levels of an agent's action 
• Giving agents money using mcp-money 
• Offering bounties to solve problems 
• Stackoverflow is dead
• Stock photography is dead 
• Real vs fake photography test
• Vibe-coding vs regular coding, and how it relates to the switch from analog to digital photography 
• What is economical, and what isn't? 
• Dialogue and Dia-Logos with LLMs 
• Specialization in a multi-agent world 
• Adding a small vibe-coding widget to every app (allowing users to customize stuff) 
• Multiplicity VS canonical design 
• Money is singular, language is not 
• Jack's original sin: the twitter Bootstrap theme
• The "other stuff" initiative
• What's missing from TENEX? Why isn't it fully working just yet? 
• Rebuilding everything every 3 weeks
• Voice vs text, sentiment analysis vs tone
• The power and informational density of silence
• In-person vs online communication
• Letting agents learn lessons
• "Where do you get your ideas from?"
• Anonymity vs pseudonyms vs government ID
• Agents need identity, money, and reputation
• "I own this dude." —Pablo
• Owning agents
• Vibe-coding lessons: don't look at the code, and in the best case don't even look at the IDE
• Human-agent communication: typing vs speaking
• Why some meetings couldn't have been an email
• Clearly defined problems vs undefined problem spaces
• Why TENEX will be in perpetual alpha
• What is Sovereign Engineering?
• Why should you sign up for it? 
• How come so many awesome things came out of it? Blossom, nsite, Zapstore, etc.
• Who should come, and who shouldn't?
• How did it start?
• What's the idea? 
• "Fix the money, fix the internet."
• "Ship stuff that lasts."
• Keep it pure. No monetization. 
• Focus on exploration and ideation 
• What's the structure? 
• 6 weeks, 21 participants
• Same structure every week
• Monday Mornings: Orientation
• Tuesday Talks
• Wednesday Workshops
• Thursday: No Agenda
• Friday: Demo Day
• Weekend: Hikes
• SEC-05: YOLO Mode
• Empower users
• Optimize for self-sovereignty
• Bitcoin works
• Lightning works (Gigi's post) 
• Build the future you want to see 
• Madeira: you can pay in bitcoin almost everywhere 
• tl;dr: Listen to every single No Solutions conversation to get an idea of what Sovereign Engineering is

Recorded at 901,069.

Gigi and gzuuus are vibing towards dystopia.

Books & articles mentioned:

• AI 2027
• DVMs were a mistake
• Careless People by Sarah Wynn-Williams
• Takedown by Laila michelwait
• The Ultimate Resource by Julian L. Simon
• Harry Potter by J.K. Rowling
• Momo by Michael Ende

In this dialogue:

• Pablo's Roo Setup
• Tech Hype Cycles
• AI 2027
• Prompt injection and other attacks
• Goose and DVMCP
• Cursor vs Roo Code
• Staying in control thanks to Amber and signing delegation 
• Is YOLO mode here to stay?
• What agents to trust?
• What MCP tools to trust?
• What code snippets to trust?
• Everyone will run into the issues of trust and micropayments 
• Nostr solves Web of Trust & micropayments natively
• Minimalistic & open usually wins
• DVMCP exists thanks to Totem
• Relays as Tamagochis
• Agents aren't nostr experts, at least not right now
• Fix a mistake once & it's fixed forever
• Giving long-term memory to LLMs
• RAG Databases signed by domain experts
• Human-agent hybrids & Chess
• Nostr beating heart
• Pluggable context & experts
• "You never need an API key for anything"
• Sats and social signaling
• Difficulty-adjusted PoW as a rare-limiting mechanism
• Certificate authorities and centralization
• No solutions to policing speech!
• OAuth and how it centralized
• Login with nostr
• Closed vs open-source models
• Tiny models vs large models
• The minions protocol (Stanford paper) 
• Generalist models vs specialized models 
• Local compute & encrypted queries 
• Blinded compute 
• "In the eyes of the state, agents aren't people" 
• Agents need identity and money; nostr provides both 
• "It's gonna be permissionless or hell" 
• We already have marketplaces for MCP stuff, code snippets, and other things
• Most great stuff came from marketplaces (browsers, games, etc) 
• Zapstore shows that this is already working 
• At scale, central control never works. There's plenty scams and viruses in the app stores. 
• Using nostr to archive your user-generated content 
• HAVEN, blossom, novia 
• The switcharoo from advertisements to training data 
• What is Truth? 
• What is Real? 
• "We're vibing into dystopia" 
• Who should be the arbiter of Truth? 
• First Amendment & why the Logos is sacred 
• Silicon Valley AI bros arrogantly dismiss wisdom and philosophy 
• Suicide rates & the meaning crisis
• Are LLMs symbiotic or parasitic? 
• The Amish got it right 
• Are we gonna make it? 
• Careless People by Sarah Wynn-Williams
• Takedown by Laila michelwait
• Harry Potter dementors & Momo's time thieves 
• Facebook & Google as non-human (superhuman) agents 
• Zapping as a conscious action
• Privacy and the internet
• Plausible deniability thanks to generative models
• Google glasses, glassholes, and Meta's Ray Ben's
• People crave realness
• Bitcoin is the realest money we ever had 
• Nostr allows for real and honest expression 
• How do we find out what's real? 
• Constraints, policing, and chilling effects 
• Jesus' plans for DVMCP 
• Hzrd's article on how DVMs are broken (DVMs were a mistake)
• Don't believe the hype
• DVMs pre-date MCP tools
• Data Vending Machines were supposed to be stupid: put coin in, get stuff out.
• Self-healing vibe-coding
• IP addresses as scarce assets
• Atomic swaps and the ASS protocol
• More marketplaces, less silos
• The intensity of #SovEng and the last 6 weeks
• If you can vibe-code everything, why build anything? 
• Time, the ultimate resource 
• What are the LLMs allowed to think? 
• Natural language interfaces are inherently dialogical 
• Sovereign Engineering is dialogical too 

Recorded at 892,372.

hzrd149 & Gigi take a stroll along the shore of cryptographic identities.

This dialogue explores how cryptographic signatures fundamentally shift power dynamics in social networks, moving control from servers to key holders. We discuss the concept of "setting data free" through cryptographic verification, the evolving role of relays in the ecosystem, and the challenges of building trust in decentralized systems. We examine the tension between convenience and decentralization, particularly around features like private data and data synchronization. What are the philosophical foundations of building truly decentralized social networks? And how can small architectural decisions have profound implications for user autonomy and data sovereignty?

Movies mentioned:

• 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
• Soylent Green (1973)
• Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
• Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
• The Matrix (1999)

In this dialogue:

• Hzrd's past conversations: Bowls With Buds 316 & 361
• Running into a water hose
• Little difference, big effect
• Signing data moves the power to the key holders
• Self-signing data sets the data free
• Relay specialization
• Victor's Amethyst relay guide
• Encryption and decryption is expensive - is it worth it? 
• The magic of nostr is that stuff follows you around 
• What should be shown? What should be hidden? 
• Don't lie to users. Never show outdated data. 
• Nostr is raw and immediate 
• How quickly you get used to things working 
• Legacy web always tries to sell you something 
• Lying, lag, frustration 
• How NoStrudel grew 
• NoStrudel notifications
• Data visualization and dashboards 
• Building in public and discussing in public 
• Should we remove DMs? 
• Nostr as a substrate for lookups 
• Using nostr to exchange Signal or SimpleX credentials 
• How private is a group chat? 
• Is a 500-people group chat ever private? 
• Pragmatism vs the engineering mindset 
• The beauty and simplicity of nostr 
• Anti-patterns in nostr 
• Community servers and private relays 
• Will vibe coding fix (some of the) things? 
• Small specialized components VS frameworks 
• Technology vs chairs (and cars, and tractors, and books) 
• The problem of being greedy 
• Competitive silos VS synergistic cooperation 
• Making things easy vs barriers of entry 
• Value4value for music and other artists 
• Adding code vs removing code 
• Pablo's Roo setup and DVMCP 
• Platform permission slips vs cryptographic identities 
• Micropayments vs Subscription Hell 
• PayPerQ 
• Setting our user-generated data free
• The GNU/Linux approach and how it beat Microsoft 
• Agents learning automatically thanks to snippets published on nostr
• Taxi drivers, GPS, and outsourcing understanding
• Wizards VS vibe coders
• Age differences, Siri, and Dragon Naturally Speaking
• LLMs as a human interface to call tools
• Natural language vs math and computer language
• Natural language has to be fuzzy, because the world is fuzzy
• Language and concepts as compression
• Hzrd watching The Matrix (1999) for the first time
• Soylent Green, 2001, Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind, Johnny Mnemonic
• Are there coincidences?
• Why are LLMs rising at the same time that cryptography identities are rising?
• "The universe smiles at encryption"
• The universe does not smile upon closed silos
• The cost of applying force from the outside
• Perfect copies, locality, and the concept of "the original" 
• Perfect memory would be a curse, not a blessing 
• Organic forgetting VS centralized forgetting 
• Forgetting and dying needs to be effortless 
• (it wasn't for IPFS, and they also launched a shitcoin) 
• Bitcoin makes is cheap to figure out what to dismiss 
• Would you like to have a 2nd brain? 
• Trust and running LLMs locally 
• No need for API keys
• Adjacent communities: local-first, makers and hackers, etc.
• Removing the character limit was a mistake
• Browsing mode vs reading mode
• The genius of tweets and threads
• Vibe-coding and rust-multiplatform
• Global solutions vs local solutions
• The long-term survivability of local-first
• All servers will eventually go away. Your private key won't.
• It's normal to pay your breakfast with sats now
• Nostr is also a normal thing now, at least for us
• Hzrd's bakery
• "Send Gigi a DM that says GM" - and it just works
• The user is still in control, thanks to Amber
• We are lacking in nostr signing solutions
• Alby's permission system as a step in the right direction
• We have to get better at explaining that stuff
• What we do, why we care, why we think it's important 

Recorded at 891,754.

Pablo & Gigi are getting high on glue nostr.

Books and articles mentioned:

• Saving beauty by Byung-Chul Han
• LLMs as a tool for thought by Amelia Wattenberger

In this dialogue:

• vibeline & vibeline-ui
• LLMs as tools, and how to use them
• Vervaeke: AI thresholds & the path we must take
• Hallucinations and grounding in reality
• GPL, LLMs, and open-source licensing
• Pablo's multi-agent Roo setup
• Are we going to make programmers obsolete?
• "When it works it's amazing"
• Hiring & training agents
• Agents creating RAG databases of NIPs
• Different models and their context windows
• Generalists vs specialists
• "Write drunk, edit sober"
• DVMCP.fun
• Recklessness and destruction of vibe-coding 
• Sharing secrets with agents & LLMs 
• The "no API key" advantage of nostr
• What data to trust? And how does nostr help? 
• Identity, web of trust, and signing data 
• How to fight AI slop
• Marketplaces of code snippets 
• Restricting agents with expert knowledge 
• Trusted sources without a central repository 
• Zapstore as the prime example 
• "How do you fight off re-inventing GitHub?" 
• Using large context windows to help with refactoring 
• Code snippets for Olas, NDK, NIP-60, and more
• Using MCP as the base 
• Using nostr as the underlying substrate 
• Nostr as the glue & the discovery layer 
• Why is this important? 
• Why is this exciting? 
• "With the shift towards this multi-agent collaboration and orchestration world, you need a neutral substrate that has money/identity/cryptography and web-of-trust  baked in, to make everything work."
• How to single-shot nostr applications 
• "Go and create this app" 
• The agent has money, because of NIP-60/61
• PayPerQ 
• Anthropic and the genius of mcp-tools 
• Agents zapping & giving SkyNet more money 
• Are we going to run the mints? 
• Are agents going to run the mints? 
• How can we best explain this to our bubble? 
• Let alone to people outside of our bubble? 
• Building pipelines of multiple agents 
• LLM chains & piped Unix tools 
• OpenAI vs Anthropic 
• Genius models without tools vs midwit models with tools 
• Re-thinking software development 
• LLMs allow you to tackle bigger problems 
• Increased speed is a paradigm shift 
• Generalists vs specialists, left brain vs right brain 
• Nostr as the home for specialists 
• fiatjaf publishing snippets (reluctantly) 
• fiatjaf's blossom implementation 
• Thinking with LLMs
• The tension of specialization VS generalization 
• How the publishing world changed
• Stupid faces on YouTube thumbnails 
• Gaming the algorithm 
• Will AI slop destroy the attention economy? 
• Recency bias & hiding publication dates 
• Undoing platform conditioning as a success metric 
• Craving realness in a fake attention world 
• The theater of the attention economy 
• What TikTok got "right" 
• Porn, FoodPorn, EarthPorn, etc. 
• Porn vs Beauty 
• Smoothness and awe 
• "Beauty is an angel that could kill you in an instant (but decides not to)."
• The success of Joe Rogan & long-form conversations 
• Smoothness fatigue & how our feeds numb us 
• Nostr & touching grass 
• How movement changes conversations 
• LangChain & DVMs 
• Central models vs marketplaces 
• Going from assembly to high-level to conceptual 
• Natural language VS programming languages 
• Pablo's code snippets 
• Writing documentation for LLMs
• Shared concepts, shared language, and forks 
• Vibe-forking open-source software 
• Spotting vibe-coded interfaces 
• Visualizing nostr data in a 3D world 
• Tweets, blog posts, and podcasts 
• Vibe-producing blog posts from conversations 
• Tweets are excellent for discovery 
• Adding context to tweets (long-form posts, podcasts, etc) 
• Removing the character limit was a mistake 
• "Everyone's attention span is rekt"
• "There is no meaning without friction" 
• "Nothing worth having ever comes easy" 
• Being okay with doing the hard thing
• Growth hacks & engagement bait
• TikTok, theater, and showing faces and emotions
• The 1% rule: 99% of internet users are Lurkers
• "We are socially malnourished"
• Web-of-trust and zaps bring realness
• The semantic web does NOT fix this LLMs might
• "You can not model the world perfectly"
• Hallucination as a requirement for creativity

Recorded at 890,848.

Justin & Gigi vibe about Zig.

Articles mentioned:

• LLMs as a tool for thought by Amelia Wattenberger
• Micropayments and Mental Transaction Costs by Nick Szabo
• How our interfaces have lost their senses by Amelia Wattenberger

Talks mentioned:

• The Art of Bitcoin Rhetoric by Bitstein

Books mentioned:

• Human Action by Ludwig von Mises
• Working in Public by Nadia Eghbal

In this dialogue:

• nak 
• Files
• SyncThing (and how it BitTorrent Sync became Resilio Sync) 
• Convention over configuration 
• Changes & speciation 
• File systems as sources of truth 
• Vibe-coding shower thoughts 
• Inspiration and The Muse 
• Justin's LLM setup 
• Tony's setup (o1-pro as the architect) 
• Being okay with paying for LLMs 
• Anthropomorphising LLMs
• Dialog, rubber-duck debugging, and the process of thinking 
• Being nice and mean to LLMs
• Battlebots & Gladiators
• Hedging your bets by being nice to Skynet
• Pascal's Wager for AI
• Thinking models vs non-thinking faster models
• Sandwich-style LLM prompting, again (waterfall stuff, HLDD / LLDD) 
• Cursor rules & Paul's Prompt Buddy 
• Giving lots of context vs giving specific context 
• The benefit of LLMs figuring out obscure bugs in minutes (instead of days) 
• The phase change of fast iteration and vibe coding 
• Idea level vs coding level 
• High-level vs low-level languages 
• Gigi's "vibeline" 
• Peterson's Logos vs Vervaeke's Dia-Logos 
• Entering into a conversation with technology 
• Introducing MCPs into your workflow
• How does Claude think? 
• How does it create a rhyme?
• How does thinking work? 
• And how does it relate to dialogue?
• Gzuuus' DVMCP & using nostr as an AI substrate
• Language Server Protocols (LSPs)
• VAAS: Vibe-coding as a service
• Open models vs proprietary models
• What Cursor got right
• What ChatGPT got right 
• What Google got right
• Tight integration of tools & remaining in a flow state
• LLMs as conversational partners
• The cost of context switching 
• Conversational flow & how to stay in it 
• Prompts VS diary entries 
• Solving technical vs philosophical models 
• Buying GPUs & training your own models 
• Training LLMs to understand Zig 
• Preventing entryism by writing no documentation 
• Thin layers & alignment layers 
• Working in public & thinking in public 
• Building a therapist / diary / notes / idea / task system
• "The age of the idea guys has begun."
• Daemons and spirits 
• Monological VS dialogical thinking 
• Yes-men and disagreeable LLMs 
• Energy cost vs human cost 
• Paying by the meter vs paying a subscription 
• The equivalence of storage and compute 
• Thinking needs memory, and memory is about the future 
• Nostr+ecash as the perfect AI+human substrate 
• Real cost, real consequence, and Human Action 
• The cost of words & speaking 
• Costly signals and free markets 
• From shitcoin tokens to LLM tokens to ecash tokens 
• Being too close to the metal & not seeing the forest for the trees 
• Power users vs engineers 
• Participatory knowing and actually using the tools 
• Nostr as the germination ground for ecash 
• What is Sovereign Engineering? 
• LLVM and the other side of the bell-curve 
• How nostr gives you users, discovery, mircopayments, a backend, and many other things for free 
• Echo chambers & virality 
• Authenticity & Realness 
• Growing on the edges, catering to the fringe 
• You don't own your iPhone 
• GrapheneOS 
• WebRTC and other monolithic "open" standards 
• Optimizing for the wrong thing 
• Building a nostr phone & Gigi's dream flow 
• Using nostr to sync dotfile setups and other things 
• "There are no solutions, only trade-offs" 
• Cross-platform development 
• Native vs non-native implementations
• Vitor's point on what we mean by native 
• Does your custom UI framework work for blind people? 
• Ladybird browser & how to build a browser from scratch 
• TempleOS 
• Form follows function & 90's interfaces 
• Lamentations on the state of modern browsers 
• Complexity & the downfall of the Legacy Web 
• Nostr as the "new internet" 
• Talks by Ladybird developer Andreas Kling
• Will's attempt of building it from scratch with Notedeck & nostr-db
• Justin's attempt with rust-multiplatform 
• "If it doesn't have a rust implementation, you shouldn't use it."
• Native in terms of speed vs native in terms of UI/UX 
• Engineer the logic, vibe-code the UI 
• From Excalidraw to app in minutes 
• What can you one-shot? 
• What do you need to care about? 
• Pablo's NDK snippets 
• 7GUIs and GUI benchmarks for LLMs
• "Now we're purpose-building tools to make it easier for LLMs" 
• "Certain tools really make your problems go away."
• Macros and meta-programming 
• Zig's comptime 
• UNIX tools and pipes 
• Simple tools & composability
• Nostr tools for iOS & sharing developer signing keys 
• Building 10 apps as one guy 
• Simplicity in a community context 
• Most people are on phones 
• Most people don't install PWAs 
• Zapstore & building our own distribution channels
• Web-of-trust and pushing builds quickly 
• Improving homebrew by 10x 
• (Micro)payments for package managers 
• Guix and bitcoin-core 
• Nix vs Guix 
• Reproducible builds & web-of-trust 
• Keet vs "calling an npub" 
• Getting into someone's notifications 
• Removing the character limit was a mistake

Recorded at 889,812.

Pablo & Gigi talk about the wind.

In this dialogue:

• Wind
• More Wind
• Information Calories, and how to measure them
• Digital Wellbeing
• Rescue Time
• Teleology of Technology
• Platforms get users Hooked (book)
• Feeds are slot machines
• Movie Walls
• Tweetdeck and Notedeck
• IRC vs the modern feed
• 37Signals: “Hey , let’s just charge users!”
• “You wouldn’t zap a car crash”
• Catering to our highest self VS catering to our lowest self
• Devolution of YouTube 5-star ratings to thumb up/down to views
• Long videos vs shorts
• The internet had to monetize itself somehow (with attention )
• “Don’t be evil” and why Google had to remove it
• Questr : 2D exploration of nostr
• ONOSENDAI by Arkinox
• Freedom tech & Freedom from Tech
• DAUs of jumper cables
• Gossip and it’s choices
• “The secret to life is to send it”
• Flying water & flying bus stops
• RSS readers , Mailbrew , and daily digests
• Nostr is high signal and less addictive
• Calling nostr posts “ tweets ” and recordings being “on tape”
• Pivoting from nostr dialogues to a podcast about wind
• The unnecessary complexity of NIP-96
• Blossom (and wind)
• Undoing URLs, APIs, and REST
• ISBNs and cryptographic identifiers
• SaaS and the DAU metric
• Highlighter
• Not caring where stuff is hosted
• When is an edited thing a new thing?
• Edits, the edit wars, and the case against edits
• NIP-60 and inconsistent balances
• Scroll to text fragment and best effort matching
• Proximity hashes & locality-sensitive hashing
• Helping your Uncle Jack of a horse
• Helping your uncle jack of a horse
• Can we fix it with WoT?
• Vertex & vibe-coding a proper search for nostr
• Linking to hashtags & search queries
• Advanced search and why it’s great
• Search scopes & web of trust
• The UNIX tools of nostr
• Pablo’s NDK snippets
• Meredith on the privacy nightmare of Agentic AI
• Blog-post-driven development ( Lightning Prisms , Highlighter )
• Sandwich-style LLM prompting, Waterfall for LLMs ( HLDD / LLDD )
• “Speed itself is a feature”
• MCP & DVMCP
• Monorepos and git submodules
• Olas & NDK
• Pablo’s RemindMe bot
• “Breaking changes kinda suck”
• Stories, shorts, TikTok, and OnlyFans
• LLM-generated sticker styles
• LLMs and creativity (and Gigi’s old email )
• “AI-generated art has no soul”
• Nostr, zaps, and realness
• Does the source matter?
• Poker client in bitcoin v0.0.1
• Quotes from Hitler and how additional context changes meaning
• Greek finance minister on crypto and bitcoin ( Technofeudalism , book)
• Is more context always good?
• Vervaeke’s AI argument
• What is meaningful?
• How do you extract meaning from information?
• How do you extract meaning from experience?
• “What the hell is water”
• Creativity, imagination, hallucination, and losing touch with reality
• “Bitcoin is singularity insurance”
• Will vibe coding make developers obsolete?
• Knowing what to build vs knowing how to build
• 10min block time & the physical limits of consensus
• Satoshi’s reasons articulated in his announcement post
• Why do anything? Why stack sats? Why have kids?
• All you need now is motivation
• Upcoming agents will actually do the thing
• Proliferation of writers: quantity VS quality
• Crisis of sameness & the problem of distribution
• Patronage, belle epoche, and bitcoin art
• Niches, and how the internet fractioned society
• Joe’s songs
• Hyper-personalized stories
• Shared stories & myths (Jonathan Pageau)
• Hyper-personalized apps VS shared apps
• Agency, free expression, and free speech
• Edgy content & twitch meta , aka skating the line of demonetization and deplatforming
• Using attention as a proxy currency
• Farming eyeballs and brain cycles
• Engagement as a success metric & engagement bait
• “You wouldn’t zap a car crash”
• Attention economy is parasitic on humanity
• The importance of speech & money
• What should be done by a machine?
• What should be done by a human?
• “The human spirit should remain in charge”
• Our relationship with fiat money
• Active vs passive, agency vs serfdom

In this dialogue:

• Paul and his awesome nostr t-shirt
• Are we all just nostalgic?
• Where did the optimism of computing and the information superhighway go?
• We went from interop to pay-to-unlock.
• Do we have to live in the digital gulags forever?
• Homecooked meals and homecooked apps
• Paper straws and the downfall of Western Civilization
• "You need to be okay with people getting rekt"
• If the car would be introduced today, it would be illegal
• Bravery and personal responsibility
• "nostr will only be what diehards will build it to be"
• Bad teleology is built into the current (non-nostr) app landscape 
• "You can get a lot of the upside without holding your own keys”
• “...but you can't get ALL of the upside!"
• Expressiveness and free speech online 
• Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly, and Financial Freedom in Cyberspace 
• Self-publishing vs platform publishing 
• Information calories. Can we count them? 
• Don't make me think! 
• Is not being forced to think part of the problem? 
• Mutiny & bitcoin UX that's too easy 
• Games and costly mistakes 
• The early days: software distribution via print magazines 
• Prompting allows you to define your own teleology 
• Vibe coding and Cursor 
• "The hard part is to figure out what you want." 
• "What should the next iteration of the internet look like?" 
• GenZ doesn't know shit about files and folders
• Why files are great 
• Gigi's SyncThing & Standard Notes setup 
• File-based apps like Smart AudioBook Player
• Reading apps like Pocket, Instapaper, and Readwise Reader
• Saving all the things & linking stuff together 
• Clips of podcasts and videos, e.g. Fountain
• A Commonplace Book to cyberspace
• Creating a "Family Bible" app
• If you want to maximize profits in the attention economy, you have to get users addicted
• (Zaps potentially fix this, as you wouldn’t zap a car crash)
• Let computers do computer work, let humans be humans
• "The end is not being on the computer"
• Solo private / group private / public 
• Liberal vs Conservative sentiment in social environments 
• Whom to care about? 
• Web of trust & our understanding of it
• Forgiveness, Trust, and Repeat Games 
• Tit-for-tat and forgiving tit-for-tat
• Three strikes and you're out! 
• "Choose your gulag" is the alternative to nostr 
• 7-generation thinking 
• 2140
• The Sovereign Individual is embedded in a social structure, always
• I, Pencil 
• Jungle vs Civilization 
• Fiat = because I said so (“Fiat Lux” - Let there be light)
• Do we need leaders in bitcoin? 
• Peterson Fallacy / God vs Bitcoin
• Jesus early followers were the Followers of The Way 
• Zaps are not payments 
• Zaps are not "tips" 
• Bitstein & Pierre: The Reorg 
• Vervaeke: “Where do you go for wisdom?”
• Rough consensus and Pieter Wuille
• "There is no such thing as a leaderless system" 
• Wisdom in cyberspace 
• Can we build wise tools? 
• Prompting the Bible, ChristGPT, and Bible Slop 
• Gell-Mann amnesia effect
• Vervaekes AI argument: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take
• Where do new ideas come from? 
• Sandwich prompting style (HLDD / LLDD)
• The Tale of John Henry 
• Silicon Sages
• Conscience and The Muse
• Hypermedia and HyperNote 
• Glassholes, Google Glasses, and wearable technology
• Prompting & Praying for An Internet Worth Having

Books mentioned:

• The Bible
• I, Pencil by Leonard E. Read
• Don't make me think! by Steve Krug
• The Sovereign Individual by James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg

In this dialogue:

• Where is the Utopia that the internet promised?
• “Neither nostalgia nor utopia”
• Net Neutrality is a moral stance
• Where did the internet go wrong?
• Tech as a tool; is tech always neutral?
• Technology that increases agency VS tech that enslaves
• Competition vs Symbiosis
• “Who will run the mints?”
• “Anyone” can use it vs “everyone” can use it
• Centralizing vs. Monopolizing
• Bitcoin has an ethos baked in (You Shall Not Steal)
• Passive internet vs active internet
• Agency in cyberspace, and how to maximize it
• Blinded custodian vs regular custodian
• User data is a liability
• Obscura / Mullvad / Silent.Link as obvious early adopters- Run your own ISP - Tollgate
• Cryptography is Not Enough
• Bitcoin is Time
• Time requires heat
• Zero-knowledge service providers
• Electronic Cash vs Digital Cash (CBDCs)
• Credit requires KYC, KYC implies outside enforcement
• Writings on Micropayments by Nick Szabo- eCash fixes 402, obviously
• Who Owns the Future?
• “You are the product” vs “Subscription Hell”
• “Hello old friend!!!”
• Cathedral vs Bazaar
• Why paywalls suck
• Information wants to be free
• “Markets become absurd as supply approaches infinity.”
• eCash + AI = match made in heaven
• #LearnToCode vs #LearnToPrompt
• Scarcity in cyberspace: compute, storage, networking
• Zero-Knowledge compute & zero-knowledge proofs
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
• https://github.com/AbdelStark/cashu-zk-engine
• Cairo: https://github.com/starkware-libs/cairo
• MCP https://github.com/AbdelStark/bitcoin-mcp
• MCP DVM: https://github.com/r0d8lsh0p/n8n-AI-agent-DVM-MCP-client
• DVMCP: https://mcp.so/server/dvmcp
• Olas & Nutzaps (NIP-60, NIP-61)
• Bitcoin is not only the internet of money, but it is the money of the internet
• Re-building the internet archive on top of nostr- Bitrot & 404
• Resurrection markets & marketplace for hashes via Blossom
• Hugs 🫂

Links & References:

• Nostr Protocol Repository: https://github.com/nostr-protocol 
• Cashu (e-cash): https://github.com/cashubtc 
• NIP-60 (Cashu Wallets): https://nips.nostr.com/60 
• NIP-61 (Nutzaps): https://nips.nostr.com/61
• The Cathedral And The Bazaar by Eric S. Raymond
• Who Owns the Future? by Jaron Lanier

In this dialogue:

• 01: Start Ugly
• 02: There is No Global
• Concept of ownership & “Read, Write, Own”
• Shamir Secret Sharing and Timelocks
• “No amount of violence will ever solve a math problem.”
• You can’t prove deletion of a key (or anything, really); best you can do is “burn” bitcoin
• Data is information, which behaves like an idea (not like an apple)
• “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” – https://dergigi.com/threads/memes-vs-the-world 
• Why the Pubky architecture isn’t great
• Cashu 
• Nutzaps: NIP-60 / NIP-61
• How nutzaps fix fake zaps on zaplife.lol
• “Ecash fixes HTTP 402”
• “[Bitcoin [and nostr]] take advantage of the nature of information being easy to spread but hard to stifle.” –Satoshi Nakamoto
• Discovery with NIP-89
• #RunDVM with NIP-90
• Why micropayments can’t work on credit rails, and how bitcoin is the rediscovery of money.
• Putting payments into blossom
• “Money is essen­tially a tool to keep track of who owes what to whom. Broadly speaking, every­thing we have used as money up to now falls into two categories: physical artifacts and infor­ma­tional lists. Or, to use more common parlance: tokens and ledgers.”
• “maximum utility in the world of Bitcoin entails the adoption of maximum responsibility.”
• Complexity of Lightning vs the simplicity of eCash
• Amber and Citrine
• How Pablo became the BIS
• 12 words in your head can literally save your life
• The in-between of custodial and non-custodial in a multi-mint world
• Nutzaps integrated in chachi.chat
• The intermediacy of nostr is magic
• In nostr you’ll get a lot for free IF YOU BUILD IT RIGHT
• “Free Speech platforms cannot exist; if there is a ‘deplatform’ button, the button will be pressed.”
• “Neither nostalgia nor utopia.”
• Solutions that make stuff worse over time vs solutions that make stuff better over time.
• #asknostr on passkeys, and why we think they’ll make things worse over time.
• Authentication vs identity: “identification asks, authentication proves”
• You are not your name and photo; identity is prismatic
• (m00t’s talk on it at web summit 2011)
• Starbug from CCC pwning TouchID biometrics from a high-res photo (article)
• Key rotation and (American) HODL
• Social recovery 
• Multi-sig for nostr with FROSTR

Links & References

• Nostr Protocol Repository: https://github.com/nostr-protocol 
• Cashu (e-cash): https://github.com/cashubtc 
• NIP-60 (Nutzaps): https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/60.md 
• NIP-89 (Service Discovery) & NIP-90 (DVMs) – upcoming proposals: https://nips.nostr.com/89 & https://nips.nostr.com/90